Ko-Nosh-I-Oni Lodge #34 First Flap

4 thoughts on “Ko-Nosh-I-Oni Lodge #34 First Flap”

1. Bill,
   I am interested in other collectors’ thoughts on this example. One of the standards of ‘whether its a variety’ I believe should be can you tell the difference without having both patches in front of you?

   I recognize that scanners and digital cameras have trouble reproducing certain colors, especially blues, but I don’t know if the above qualifies as a variety. I agree with you that it certainly is not a different issue. I’ve looked at 100,000s of patches and still can have trouble picking up some of the color shades unless both patches are next to each other.

   I also agree, that if we do identify S1a and S1b for lodge 34 that they are both First Flaps and if one is easier/more common then it needs to be the S1a. I know it should not make a difference to collectors but some do not understand that both shade varieties could have shown up to a council office in the same batch.

   Regards,
   Roy

2. Roy,

   I believe, based on who I acquired these from, that they are what was listed in the Blue Book as the 34S1a and S1b.

   There is some level of judgement call for MVE or Variety and with 30-50 BB editors, there will likely always be some who call it one way and some the other.

   I would be happy to have a single S1 listing adding MVE – Color of Sky, Color of Tree, of course with the First Flap designation.

   Overall, I think we are in agreement here.

3. Bill Griesmyer posted the following via Facebook in response to this post:

   “I would agree with you. MVE is the way to go. These very difficult color variations shouldn’t create new varieties. Without a PMS color chip, you can’t tell the difference in many cases.”

4. Bill & Roy,

   Sounds as if you have it solved. No S1a & S1b. S1 all the way. I suspect that the Gonlix #34 F1 a & F1b flaps are a similar case.

   YiB,

   Bill